So I break my gambling bankroll into as many sessions as I plan on playing, so that I'll have money to play for each session e. H Hedge Bet — when you place a bet against one or more of your other bets so that you will reduce your potential losses. With our years of combined experience dealing with casinos, we have sought out to find the best craps bonuses, and have combined them together into the following table. If the 'come point' is rolled the odds do not win but the Come Bet does and the odds are returned. That's the "Stokely System" for Craps! You're essentially just along for the ride. Next hit on the six or eight, place the five and nine.
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I lose when two sevens are rolled together. This system works best for the place bet player. The math says that the expected return is unchanged, but by not waiting tempting fate for the eventual 7 you are "dancing" around it with the potential to make out nice.
This can anger some dealers as you have inactive money on the table, but by simply letting them know when they will be turned on usually calms their nerves. This system allows one to sit patiently at a table for hours on a limited bankroll.
It requires discipline and patience! This is not rocket science, but it can help those that enjoy hanging around the table and don't mind having inactive money.
Second I did not mention one slight of hand I like to do with my bets whenever playing a place bet game. Stay with me for a while and I will explain my favorite progression of bets I use with this and all systems. I will use a placed six as my example. Just a progression of profit taking I wanted to share. I have played with around with letting the numbers work for one roll or wait for a hit. I have found that the one roll idea works better.
An emphasis on the system is that one must have patience and discipline. I also like to grow my number together i. I have lasted as long as 90 minutes on one bet. I have also seen five 7's in a row. I will usually wait after a seven is hit and I am wiped out 2 sevens in a row to see a non-7 hit before putting more money on the table.
As for when to let 's work I walk up to a table and either jump right in for one roll or usually wait for the first "7". I would encourage the wait for the first "7". This keeps the table happier. Nobody wants a player jumping in the middle of a potentially good roll and ruining the rhythm that so many people believe in.
I would point out that this method is designed for someone who wants to sit at a table for a long session. I employ different systems depending on my mood going to the table or my ultimate goal fun or money. Don't try this one at the casinos, but it's kind of fun to try at home: A seven costs you It sucks but it's fun to get 10 bucks every roll.
Of course, you can't be the shooter For the last five years I've been a dealer at a Harrah's casino and I can say I've seen just about every system there is.
This is where the army system came from. What you are basically doing is starting with the four and moving to the ten each time a number hits, thus the army bet. It doesn't work often but I have seen it happen usually once a night.
One time happened 3 times in 40 minutes. Remember your investment and don't get chicken at the end. Let me know what you think or any questions scooot68 aol.
What you are going to do is TRY to hit 6 numbers before the seven shows up by one or more shooters you can turn bets off at any time to wait for next shooter to help make numbers. I let the dice decide for me which number to play its good as any other way.
Here's a conservative variation to the army system. This is a very do-able method what do you think? Before fourth roll, take all place bets down, reduce odds behind pass line to "single" no more C and E bets and roll for your point. If you are a "random roller", you might want to pass on this one. I have noticed the difficulty any shooter has making 3 points. I have tried to formulate a system that will protect the player from this "time of trial" until a "qualified shooter" appears.
I will detail the basics and you can add your own improvements, hedges, place bets, DC, and come bets etc. If you lose the 2nd bet you break even on your line bet and the same holds true for the 3rd bet. If any of the winning bets with odds were out side no's you would show a small profit. I have seen too many players go broke on line bets alone. Wait until he makes those vital 3 points and in the process if he is throwing no's get some place bets down and take them down or turn them off after a few rolls on the 3rd point.
After that 3rd point is made go to double or triple minimum using the same odds structure so you maintain that break even edge on your line bet. Big and Little Place bets. Big and Little Place bets on 5, 6, 8, and 9. Let Big Bets ride for 3 active rolls then regress to Little Bets. When a Big Bet wins - press. When a Little Bet wins on 5 or 9 - press one unit starting with 2nd win. When a Little Bet wins on 6 or 8 - press one unit on each win.
When a point is made or lost - reset whole cycle except as follows: When 1 point is made - Big Bets will only ride for 2 rolls. When 2 points are made in a row - Big Bets will only ride for 1 roll. When 3 or more points are made in a row - skip Big Bets, go to Little Bets. When any 7 is rolled natural or otherwise start Big Bets over with 3 rolls.
This is the most you will have at risk during this progression and is the highest point of risk in the play. At this point you have five options. Let's look at them in order of preference, with Option 1 being the first choice. Up a unit on the six and eight.
The smart money says the three most powerful words at the craps table. This system is designed for players whose intention is to sightsee the casinos rather than play in them for an extended period. Your buy in is for just four bets of your choice. Hopefully you'll win your first two bets and you can move on to the next casino.
You can make one or two place bets at a time. You can leave them working or take them down at any time. You can make any type bet you want. I use the six and eight as an example. You can adapt this system to any casino game. Make two 2 bets per shooter. Once the shooter makes two rolls of the dice, remove all bets and wait until the next shooter. The book goes into more detail of the betting strategy, the theory behind the strategy and variations for betting on a "hot" shooter.
Click here for more info. If it wins on the 6, take it down. It's a simple game and you don't need to handle so many chips this way. It makes it more daring. The whole concept of craps obviously for right players is to avoid the 7 after the come out roll. Even on the come out roll, which is really no different than any other roll as far as the odds for a 7 showing, is a factor in my method. When the numbers have two units or more I will press 2 numbers 1 unit each.
Obviously the exposure is before the first hit, anything after that you are using the casino's money. The reason I do not play the pass-line is that the return, even with back-up odds, is less than if you put that full amount, pass-line bet plus odds bet directly placed on the number itself.
First watch the table for complete circles. Sense a hot roll. Play 1 or 2 rolls only. This guarantees a win. After 2 rolls stop playing for that day or in that casino for that day. This works if the roll is hot. So watch and wait then Hit and Run. Watching in this setting pays more than anyplace else, wait more and surely get that Hot roll for a kill. This needs LOT of Discipline. After the first hit hopefully not a 7 you regress as follows: If a 5,6,8 hit: It is based on the idea of gambling with the casino's money.
Starting with the original bets will return you enough money to continue play with higher odds of winning. The advantage is that you can regress after ANY number other than 7 rather than waiting for a specific number to appear. After you've done the initial regression, you can press until your hearts' content without risking any of your own money. And if the seven eventually falls, you don't have to worry cause it wasn't your money anyway.
It's up to you to decide whether or not that's a high enough percentage to gamble on. Run it through the simulators to watch it work! My goal is for a session. A session will have three hits and the place bets will be off after each hit and wait for the next come out.
Why use a Field Bet? While I am waiting for a hit on the inside place bets , I can pick up some change on the field bets and it reduces the loss of a 7 out before a hit on the place bets. Place bets are on until a hit on any 5. I then ask the Dealer to " Put place bet on off".
I do not play the field when Place bet are on off. I have the dealer put Place bets " On" after the next come out roll and a point is established. After a hit , this session is over and I take all bets down. I have three of these sessions. Sometimes if the table is choppy I will only have one or two sessions. There are times when a 5,6,8, or 9 just will not show.
I limit my hits on the field bet to four. I then put the place bets on " Off" and wait for next come out roll. The hardest part to do is watch the 6s,8s, and 9s show when your place bets are on off.
You say to your self, I am losing all this money. This is true in the short run. If you seven out with no field bet hits, It takes 3 or 4 hits to be even. This has worked for me.
My suggestion would be to practice this method on a casino craps game on your computer. This is what I do. Never play behind odds. Once point is established: If field does not hit: Only play field maximum of 2 times on first and second rolls after point. If it hits first time, do not play it again. So on second roll, you have point, and all of field, plus 6 and 8. First place that hits, cover rest of points.
This covers all of points: Pressing should be done as above. This is where the payoff is. This is not as aggressive as the max odds behind the line and 2 come bets with full odds. However, you can weather cold tables longer to be there when it pops. I always toke tip during play to ensure help. I never wait until end of play to tip. If you wait until end to tip, staff doesn't know if you are going to tip or not. First have a decent bankroll to make decent money. I don't break it down into sessions, I don't split it three ways or bet one hour and not the next or what ever ridiculous things people do.
I loss with out a hit on an inside number is 2 units I have to recoup. That is how you have to look at it, once you put your money down on the table, it is the house's money until, you pick it up. I am looking for the shooter to hit 2 inside or 3 inside numbers, and then I come down with a profit. If two shooters seven out before I hit one number, I walk out.
If a shooter, throws 5 outside or craps numbers, I play the odds and pick up the place bets and I wait for the next shooter. Watching place betters are funny, they never pick up a profit, never. It would be like going up to a black jack table and pressing your winnings no matter what until you lost, and I have never seen a blackjack player do that. I have been known to stay at tables for hours to days.
Think I am crazy Ponder what I have said, think about it logically, and if you have comments or questions please.. Good shooting, Richard Cionci. Whatever the point, back it up with double odds. If the point is 5,6,or 8 place a double unit bet on the other two numbers, then a single unit bet in the Field. You will win on any number except the 7. After 2 hits on any of the no- field numbers, take everything down except the Pass Line bet with odds. Let the dice roll until a decision is made, then start over.
If it does, so much the better. Play this way if the table is warm or hot. Play this way until you get 2 winning rolls in a row, then return to your original play.
Four losing rolls in a row, end that session. This method keeps you busy raking in your wins, and allows you to stand at the table with a Pass Line bet even after you removed your other bets. I think it is hard and boring to stand there with no action.
Give it a try and let me know what you think. Joe Verona britestar9 home. What surprises me the most about craps players is that no one keeps track of the numbers.
I guess they are waiting for that elusive hot roll, which is a rare occurrence. If in fact you were at a hot table, you would play the basics of presses on places and comes and increased pass line bets after a win on the point number.
But that is not the norm with craps. You are usually dealing with a cold or choppy table or sometimes a warm table where someone may throw some numbers, make his point, throw some yo's or sevens, establish another point and then throw some more numbers and maybe make the point. Depending on how the player has played, the DO player should have made some money on this shooter.
It is a white acrylic board with 37 lines and approx. I think you get the idea. These markers can be removed when their number hits, then sliding the other 10 combinations up, replacing it at the bottom of the column. Half way up the board on the 19th line I have a neutral line and when the 7 crosses that neutral line all bets are taken off. Meaning that any part of the 7 even the first attached marker and greater crossing the neutral line signals and end for that play until another 7 is thrown.
Believe me, if the table gets hot this board will end up under the rail where the drinks go. I have brought the board to Foxwoods for dry runs and naturally you are laughed at by players and dealers, but if I can eke out a small profit playing my system, then I'll be the one laughing silently.
Another thing that I do not understand about some die hard don't players is when a table gets hot even for 15 min. I guess that is called discipline. I've played the don't many times but will switch in a hot second if the table goes hot or sometime even warm. Like if I like the shooter's style etc My new system with the board does not play the don'ts or pass-line, just places the 5,6,8,9,4,10 and buys the 4,10 only after a seven out and it is a losing round will I by the 4,10 because now the bets are more than doubled from 10 units to 25 units for the 4 and This takes into account the savings on the buy bet for the 4,10 after the first 7 out.
I bet are 3 numbers at a time. All due numbers nearest to the top of the column. Take all down when 7 hits neutral line. Marking with an O with a magic marker water based on the bottom of the 7's column line on the board when a 7 out occurs.
This way you can get a general idea on where the 7's are occurring the most in the column. All the time if the 7 moves to the center neutral line bring down all bets. You have to see it in action to really understand what is going on. It is a progression system but will drop other bets back to starting amounts if hit is enough on one or two wins to take you even or slightly ahead.
I only use the progression when I have NOT broke even or ahead for the round. It would be 3 of any of these numbers that are due. Again the most numbers bet 3 that are most due.
Here's a practice run. Before I start to play I place a single white blank marker on the bottom of the column before starting. This way as the numbers come out anything left above the white blank marker has not yet hit. This marker when enough rolls have been made will stay at the top for the session. You do not start play yet.
Now I will give a simulated roll The 4,6,9,11,12 are still above the white marker. Not ready to play. The 4,11,12 are still above the white marker. At this point only the 4 has not shown. The horns, 2,12,3,11 I disregard anyway but always move them to the bottom of the board when any of them hit. At this point the order of from bottom to top are 8,6,5,9,2,3,7,10,Blank,4,11,12 Roll The 10,6,8 in that order are the top of the column picks.
More if a repeat of 5,3,9 below the 7 or 2,12,11 above the 7. It has 3 markers above the neutral line and 3 below. This is because if you add up the numbers thrown previous to the 7 which are in order from the bottom 6,9,3,5 the total sum value of 15 markers plus the 3 from the 7 makes it 18 which is half way to the top. Making the 7 dangerous because once one of it's markers or more passes the neutral line, take down all place bets. Remember when I said 19 lines to the neutral line, you have to count the 1st line.
So really 18 markers fill 19 lines. So now the 4,11,2,8,10,blank,12 are above the 7 but bets are now off until a 7 out or a point is made and another 7 on come out is made. In other words you are looking for a 7 so you can start play so wait Yes you can get burnt by 7's on come out. That's where progression comes into play. It gives you that necessary discipline to take down bets also.
I hope this explains it better. Here is a ms word doc. Right click to download-- Craps Tracker. I can win money in front of the computer, but in the casino that could be a different story. It is basically placing the 3 most due numbers, the 4,5,6,8,9,10 I bet you have heard it all with this one!
Any comments welcome and I am thick skinned, so don't pull any punches. Anyone taking something like this into a casino would have to be thick skinned or crazy or both. This system is similar to the pass line conservative method. The difference here is that you add a come bet with your pass line bet. It's a more complex system because you have to deal with two different points, which means keeping track of the betting levels on the odds bets for both of them.
Use a pen and paper if it helps. The method is the same. For every win, you increase your odds bet and with every loss, you decrease your odds bet. Let's look at an example. The shooter throws another 8, so you win your first come bet. The shooter throws a 4, which becomes your new come point. The next roll, however is a 7, so you lose both your come bet and your pass line bet. Remember, all you're doing is making a pass line bet and a come bet, then increasing the odds on either bet you win and decreasing them on either one you lose.
Reprinted from an article in Chance magazine , with permission from the author, Larry Edell. Visit his site at Thecrapshooter. This system takes advantage of the free odds bet. When you lose you would decrease your odds bet by one unit. Here's an example of how it works. The first point is six, and you win your bet. So far, you've won three bets and lost none. How do you think you made out? Let's follow the money. This is the power of the casino's free odds on the pass line.
As long as you keep increasing your odds bet by one unit after a win, and decreasing it by one unit after a loss, you'll do much better than a flat-betting pass line player who keeps making the same wager over and over again.
Place, reduce, turn off, take down. This is my favorite for the right side on a choppy table as the 5 count variation is for the don't side on a choppy table. Depends on who is getting chopped the most.
When I look at this system its really is a don't system in "Sunday go to meeting clothes". If the 6 or 8 is hit, take down the 5 and 9. Give the shooter two more try's then turn off the 6 and 8 for 3 try's or whatever suits you. Turn back on for 2 try's hit or miss and then take them down. If you lose both the 6 and 8 you break even. When I say across I don't mean all the numbers.
Impatience and greed are the biggest threats to your bankroll. I specifically don't play the odds so that I may use that money on the 6 and 8 which are more likely to hit. I wait for three hits since 4 is about the average time before a 7 appears and then take all money down. I would also take full odds. Two or three hits and I take down. The numbers may not add up as far as the odds are concerned, but the bottom line is that once I started using the house's money I increased my bets to the point that at any one time if I didn't hit I would be right back where I started from and not in the negative.
Just to add, I don't do odds bets on 4, 9, and I play the field which concentrates more money on more numbers to include the 4, 9, Also, the field bet should be more than the place bet if the point is 5. This way I still make money if the point is made. After a day of consistent and fast losing at the tables in Reno , I tried to come up with some method that might stem the tide.
I normally don't bet the pass line or don't pass line so I really don't care if the shooter makes the point or not. I just want to win a bet before that seven shows. I came up with a variation of the 7 method. I use it for 6 and 8 place bets, but you can use it for 5 and 9 or any other combination that you'd like. You leave the bets working till one of them is hit. Then you take them down and wait for the end of the roll.
After the next point is established you make 2 more place bets on the 6 and 8 and add 1 unit to the number that last won. The 6 is thrown, so you take both bets down and wait for the end of the roll. You would repeat the process every time you win a bet. This method is good for a choppy to semi hot table. Also, if the table turns hot, you are already betting at a way higher level and you can truly take advantage by letting the bets work for the life of the roll.
The downside, as with most systems, is an early seven. Follow a single or 8. If is not rolled in 4 rolls, pull it down unless he is a hot shooter. If shooter is hot then parley the wins for times.
Any win will give you profit. After any win start the cycle from unit 1 again. My records show a consistent win. Players feed back is appreciated. Here is a play I make from time to time that always piques their interest.
Let's assume we're down at my favorite gambling hall, the Perfect World Casino. It's called that because - unlike the Real World Casino - these types of plays always seem to work out there.
The strategy is simple. Place all the numbers. Whenever one of your numbers rolls you take down the bet and parlay the bet and winnings to the next inside number. Once all bets have migrated to the six and eight you take one hit and down - or one hit and regress. Now let's say the shooter tosses the nine next. Suppose the 8 rolls next. Let's say the four rolls next. Next toss the five rolls.
You tell the dealer to "take me down on the five. Next toss the eight repeats. But look at all the action you have out there. Now, if you're playing in the "Real World Casino" this is the point where many of us start scratching our heads and counting on our fingers.
But what the heck - we're playing in the "Perfect World," so let's let the strategy run its course. A miracle occurs and the shooter tosses the ten. Next toss - eight hard.