I forgot if they were single deck or not. At first glance, they appear to offer the same game as a live table would. Alan Just look to the right side of the page and select practice game. There are now 30 levels to play through. I quit asking for food comps at pala…I just go in, play my game and leave.
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The entire table would roll their eyes at me and basically call me crazy for playing hands pre-flop like K-J os, A-J, and even A-K. I kept telling him he was wrong, but unfortunately every damned time I would bet with a nice pre-flop betting hand I would get cracked. Seriously, some of these dealers need to shut their mouths sometimes.
There are several traits I hate in a dealer, but the worst is fishing for tips. Otherwise known as slow-rolling which would get you a punch in the mouth at some cash games. And an example of a trait that is excellent for a dealer. At Pala, there was one dealer who was very sloppy pulling the board cards, players cards and her own cards out.
Several times I could see the first card of the board as well as at least one of her cards which is kind of important since at Pala all cards are out before you even look at your hand and make a decision. What do they think? That people reads hands as poorly as they do? Its my decision to expose my cards to the table, not the dealers.
The tables above say you can call a paired scare board with nut kicker, but on an unpaired scare board, you need at least bottom pair with 4th nut kicker. I just finished training as a dealer, and will do my best to not do any of these oddities. Some of the dealers are starting to recognize that I last a lot longer on a buy in than most even if I do lose it.
Lately some have even told newbies to ask me to help them. I shrug my shoulders whether I win or lose. Just wondering if anyone knows the odds for these three hands with all 5 cards being shown plus your two cards….
The odds to make these not be put on the board. Royal Flush Straight Flush Quads. You were 2nd seat and I was playing 1st seat two asian guys. We were talking about playing x4 preflop strategy from this blog and you told us you were Stephen and is the blogger. Love this game, but usually lose until last September after reading up on the strategy.
The dealer had straight flush with 9h. Of course I remember you guys! Keep teaching them how to play up there in Seattle! Are we taking nominations for the most annoying UTH dealer? If so, mine is an Asian male at Encore who opens the hands of every player once they play or fold, and offers commentary—usually wrong, by the way—about their decisions.
I played about 10 minutes before giving up and walking over to Wynn. They dummy up and hand out the cards. My vote would go to a dealer at the Showboat in AC who openly scolded me for following the strategy. I want you to win, my friend! Dummy up and deal needs to be the standard for all dealers.
Chatty dealers may get new idiots to play the game, but they drive away the players who would play for much longer. Casinos need to tell their dealers to shut the hell up unless the player is actively speaking to them.
As you mentioned above, many of the dealers feel they know they game better than the players because they deal it, when in fact they only know how to pay it and scoop it. But you could see their interest was piqued as I ground out more wins than loses with those.
People were slow to catch on to sharing info, but I found a few and, as usual, it helped avoid disasters like avoiding 4x pocket QQ because the players to either side of me each had a Q—that got a double-take from the dealer! You are correct in hindsight. It is a strong enough hand that it would be worth the bet without the chance to improve. But I was in one of those slow patches and feeling a little over conservative. As always used the optimal betting method nearly all of the time and was rocking it when I did.
I lost count, but at one point, I had won 18 of 23 hands where I bet max pre-flop. Did run into one annoying situation there though. The floor manager started taking notice of my success and became almost harassing. He decided he was going to stand directly over my shoulder since I was in the first spot and never take his eyes off of me. When he took breaks, he would whisper to the other floor managers and point at me…and sure enough they did the same thing. It was obnoxious, harassing and unwarranted.
Just to piss them off I try to grab my entire stack and head to the cashier without coloring up. You should really go ten miles down the road to Harrahs. Almost all the dealers and table game supervisors are very friendly.
They WANT you to win. If your not winning they are not getting tokes. Seriously, you definitely need to check out Pauma. They actually have reasonable salads back there. The 2-for-1 prime rib is a great deal, and the mini-pizzas are really good. And Tom, you can drink there too. Usually, they have a few dealers standing dead in the mornings. Having a fantastic last week and a half. I have never seen such pissed off floor managers in my life.
Eat it you two-faced dregs. I found your website through the Wizard of Odds. It paid off as a Royal. I have a screen shot I could send you. Since purple is my largest chip, the payoff went off the screen. Stephen, I may be wrong, but I think he was pointing out a mistake in your game, not bragging about his score.
He said he got a K-9 straight flush and it paid like a Royal. Thanks, easy to check out. The Blind paytable also pays out 50 correctly. If you still have the screenshot, please send it to me. I played UTH for the first time last week at a casino and I must say I fell in love with this game very quickly. I practiced with your trainer app couple of times excellent app by the way! Did you program your app to be an one on one game me vs dealer or did you consider there are other players in the game as well?
Thanks for the feedback. Of course that only happens some of the time, and its up to you to find out if you want an edge. For example, my post on practical collusion for UTH shows if you have a marginal 4x raising hand like K5o, you should definitely check at least your left and right neighbors if they have either a King or a 5. On the other hand, if they have either a King or a 5, you should check, since a 4x raise is at a So, you should learn about using table information, and embrace the additional players at the table.
The effect is the same as if the dealer had cut the deck differently. These people are at Eldorado Casino, Reno. Yes, UTH has to be the table game with the highest percentage of dealer mistakes. Think I found another bug…was dealt 2s2d and checked. Thanks, found the bug. I fixed it, and another one that bothered me needed to play the board on something like AKQ I taught my wife the basic strategy to the game as well as the simple pre-flop betting strategy and we played a total of 5 sessions each.
Yup, my wife hit the heart royal on the turn after playing less than 5 hours. Needless to say, we were very happy. Saw only one quad the whole time, but a fair amount of flushes, full houses and straights. I would also say that there was not a single player on the boat besides my wife and I who won nor played proper strategy.
Most players would only play suited face cards or pocket pairs around 8 or higher. No one played Ace-anything besides us. Thanks Stephen, for your lessons. I was shocked and excited, but at the same time nervous because I knew that it was very likely that i would play it while waiting for my seat and it would be very likely that i could lose a good chunk of my bankroll for the day.
I noticed another difference between the game at the Lake compared to the other casinos I have been to…they let you play 2 hands at the Lake. The second hand has to be played blind, so you have to go all-in 3x or 4x and you do not get to see the hole cards for the second hand.
Just got back from Vegas and after 4 days was up over 15K. I was truly amazed that almost no one played near as aggressive as I did. So I finally dealt the game at Pala. Oddly enough, all of the dealers at Pauma understand the 4x preflop raising strategy.
At Viejas, about half of the dealers understand 4x raising, and the rest are ambivalent. But then again, from what I remember, some of those dealers seem extremely set in their views. Probably because its vegas, I did get free rooms and they gave me another night free.
I love the MGM…just wish my luck was better. When a hand came up where I had trips I would take away what I would have won from that stack. Players questioned me on what I was doing and I explained. Went to Mississippi stud for a sesision and came back. Several players had stopped betting trips. Second session was short. Dealer dealt himself two straights in a row a boat and trips. After that I caught rags four hands in a row.
Back to Mississippi Stud. Thank you for creating your practice simulator this is exactly what I have been looking for! I have been playing basic strategy for this game for about 3 years now. I did notice that your flash app does not have the extra player option to use collusion play in your simulation.
Would you be able to add this feature to the flash app or keep your java app available? Also I wloud love to be able to download the java app for this to be able to practice when I am off line. Thanks again for providing this simulation it is a great help! Is this correct, or just a bug? Yeah, double gutshot is the same as open-ended 8 outs , and both your hole cards are greater than 8. When playing the player must bet the ante and the blind bet.
This is an automatic disadvantage bet the player must make in order to play the game. Therefore and strategy for this game is used to determine when to bet the play bet and only the play bet. I stress occurring hands because not each hand has the same odds of being dealt. Basically this is an average percentage for all possible situations and hand outcomes. I did not create this chart I found a few on various websites and compared them to validate.
As we get closer to a negative percentage the Cumulative Occurance of Optimal x4 bet hands reaches All the game rules are taken into account in the analysis using a customized program. All the effects of the Blind and Ante bet are taken into account in the 4x Play bet decision. However, the hands you point out are very strong, and you should 4x raise them at a full table when not copied.
Personally, since most tables in Vegas pay the last or a pay structure 3. As Badbucks says, check the return on the Trips paytable. In San Diego, we mostly have the 1. In Las Vegas, the most common paytable is 3. At my local Barona Casino, they offer the best 0. Is there a math here? If someone else can dispute this, please feel free to do so. Thanks for the math. Has anyone played at the Cosmopolitan? Trips or no trips, etc. I think they have 2 tables there. U can expect huge swings in your bankroll by playing by the book.
I normally buy in for 50 times my normal ante bet amount, but lately, I am beginning to feel that is not enough to whether the swings. If u play the trips bet, just be aware that if u r running bad, u will easily bleed through your whole buy in from losing the trips bets.
If u r running good then just run with it. As far as the cosmos goes, the dealers r pleasant and the atmosphere is like a huge martini bar…lots of young people and lots of energy in the casino. They are really stingy. I do not play trips. Totally agree regarding CET comps. I was able to stay for free during CES earlier this year and i have already booked a room for free during CES for No blackouts, weekends ok, and no resort fees.
I think CET and treasure island comps are a couple of the easiest to get from the strip, although mLife seems to be doling out frequent room comps too. They tend to comp better than most in the area as far as I can tell. Just wish they would put inanother Mississippi Stud table. Tom, I totally agree. Pechanga has treated me fairly well too when I ask for comps.
Pala is the absolute worst of the three. I have asked for a buffet twice after playing for 3 to 4 hours, making 10 and 15 dollar ante bets, and both times I was rejected.
I quit asking for food comps at pala…I just go in, play my game and leave. Unbelievable and maddening day at Pala yesterday. I had been playing for a long time in the first spot and had been going through a rough stretch. Table was full except for seat two. I thought about moving several times, but I stayed put.
A woman comes up and takes seat two. Table pauses for a half an hour while they get her paid. I go back in seat three and play for an hour. Table is full except for seat one. Dealer decides to rearrange the chips, alowing a woman to come up and take spot one. RK, I defenitely feel your pain from that session, except for missing out on the royal flush twice.
I have yet to see a royal flush except for when the dealer dealt one to herself. Lately, I have been sitting in the wrong seat at the wrong time consistently. One of my recent sessions, at a full table, I was the only player to not have a flush or full house when there is 4 to a flush, 2 pair, or trips on the board. This happened about 5 times during the session. I was running so bad, I reduced my betting from 25 ante to 5 ante and moved seats…no change in luck.
Sometimes, the best thing for us is to just pick up our chips and take a break. The Pala dealers except for vgMega drive me nuts, and so do the players. They leave after a few bad beats, then they come back if they see or hear someone winning. On the other hand, it has some charm as a small, local casino. The dealers at Pala are not great. He had his mind made up that k-3 was better than a-k. Surprisingly he was losing and losing. Oh boy, Your right about Charlie and John.
They mean well, but they can come off in a bad way. I wish I could deal that game myself a lot more, but they are set in their ways on who deals what, especially in the Carnival pit. And your right about comps…. BTW, if you guys have any questions about procedure, ask away! It was a promotion they were running.
I asked for a comp a while back and they said they stopped it because players were taking advantage of it. It seems some supervisors were comping for Fiores too much. Actually got a call from the casino director and had a nice chat.
They may brinhg it back with some restrictions. Stephen,If you knew one of the flop cards,would this change basic strategy in Ultimate texas holdem? Obviously if you knew you would pair up you probably would bet,but say you have k5 or q8 and now since you only have four unknown cards to match yours would you still bet 4x on these hands or other close plays like jt. Went to Pala today…i know…why would i do that? You really should drive past Pala, and go to Casino Pauma. There are self-proclaimed BJ and Craps professional gamblers.
Could one turn pro playing UTH? I am looking for a career after retirement. This may be it. If trips came up I removed that amount from the stack and so on. The suits hung around the table a lot…i mean a lot! I will definitely go back there again! Hi I am confused by the statement and example on the flop.
The flop is 3d9dKd. You have no flush or straight draw, so you check. Went back to Spa Resort yesterday and was stuck for 2 buy-ins for most of the session. I was playing with another player at the table at first and then mostly one on one. The only stipulation with playing two hands is that you have to play one of them blind. Usual raised eyebrows and smirks at my playing style. A few possible converts.
A player was in seat 5 and as I started to sit in seat 4 he moved over. First hand I hit a flush. He got ticked and said I was stupid for not playing trips. He lost about 2K and kept dropping his trip bet. I made 3 trip bets for the session dealer change card change etc and won 2 of 3. I heard him telling the other players how I count as I left See my post above for explanation. Holy California card craps! I have done the exact same chip tracking you do, but stopped after a few sessions because as i got deeper into my session, the chips migrated into the tracking stack and i had to keep using those chips and it got confusing real fast.
I will probably head to Rincon next friday to play some, although i have not had much luck there recently. I will probably check out Pauma too, on my way home. He left shortly after I sat down. Went to Vegas for the weekend. Very difficult to find UTH tables. There were a lot of WSOP Hold-Em tables, watched for a few minutes and it appeared to be even money payouts on everything saw a full house and a flush while I was watching. Played one short UTH session at Paris.
Not enough light above the tables. One dealer held the cards near his chin hand dealt game and flipped the cards across the table. Twice players had to pick them up off the floor. Had three hands in a 20 minute period he started to rake my chips and I had put my hand down on top of his to get his attention to point out that my flush beat his two pair.
Very bright table games area, lots of loud music for the go-go dancer in the pit. My wife who usually plays blackjack sat in for half an hour and caught quads. They were doing okay to start with but the cards turned ugly and one looked to be near tears after a very long losing streak from where I was at 3-card looked like one lost 8 hands in a row, won 2, then lost 6 more.
Paris has UTH now? PH, Cosmo, Mirage, and Wynn were my favorites as far as atmosphere and energy at the tables and casino. Ballys had one UTH table. Flamingo best for mispaying people…though in my last session they narrowed down the amount of dealers running hte game so it was better. Was in Vegas this past week. Ann low key and pleasant to play at.
Freaking people out with 4x bets on any ace or small pairs, let alone the K, Q and J bets. Had more losing sessions than winning, unfortunately.
A couple of starts with 6, 7, 8 losing hands in a row. But ended the trip on an up note, playing my last hands before I had to leave for the airport, I hit back to back full houses playing trips to double my money on the last session.
Just got back from Lake Tahoe and Harrahs has it for 5 min. Had 3 sessions, all winning. Its amazing how people get killed playing the bonus. Of probably 20 or so people I played with, I was the only one using this strategy. One lady hit quads playing the 10 on the bonus every hand and was broke in an hour.
Thanks for the site as I practiced for a week and it paid off in Tahoe. People going broke because of trip bets. Sat down for a session just before it was time to meet my wife.
Does anyone have a time limit or goal to win in each session? I started playing 3 months ago and developed a hit and run strategy. It seems like when I played for hours in a row I would only get up about 12xx avg bet of course not playing trips and using basic strategy. Now I just try to hit and run being hapy with winning x avg bet and moving on to play it at the next casino or just taking a short break and coming back.
Also, buy in amounts, based on avg bet? I usually am buying in for 20x avg bet, might be a little light since i have gone through it a few times. Whats your worst losing streak? I book wins constantly and would like to move up.
WHat is your bankroll amount per bet? By bets I assume you are referring to the size of your ante bet. I allot ante bets per session. Right now I play 25 ante and 15 on the trips, so for a session, I cap my losses at …believe me, the swings will take you to the cap if you run into a cold streak.
This is a casino game, so walking out even or slightly down is a good thing. This does not happen often though, it is usually up or down a sizeable amount. Leaving up one ante per hour usually means you had a rough session and just happened to get some back plus a little. So, shoot for one ante per hour and your bothers wins will be even more exciting and your losing sessions will be expected, since it is a casino game.
One thing I never do, no matter how much I am winning…I never leave when I am hot. Why do gamblers leave on a hot streak but keep playing and keep playing bigger when they are on a cold streak?
Bankroll management like I use will not make u a winner…it will only let you play the game longer. I am net down since playing this game.
I like many others started playing this game and was winning almost effortlessly and thought this game was a money tree…WRONG! This game can bite you in the ass hard and to play perfect strategy, I believe you need a deep bankroll for the limit you play. Adjust your bet size to your bankroll. I have lost within the first 10 minutes of playing on several occassions. The swings in this game can be brutal and that is part of what makes the game exciting.
Play this game for fun, not for expectations of making money. If you want to make money consistently, play real poker. I used to only play real poker, but now I play this all the time because it is more fun, plus the interaction with the players is more exciting…for the most part.
If there are gramatical errors, well, so I suck at grammer…lol. One ante bet per hour? That can not be correct? If its 4 hands then I walk…. Under Promise Over Deliver. If i make one ante per hour great, i walk away a winner.
If i make beyond it, then I feel i had a good session. I think everyones goals and expectations of win rates will vary greatly. Given that it is a casino game, excluding any comps, you are expected to lose money on this game, so breaking even is good. This is an addictive game. Do you think that it might be possible to even beat the casino and gain a small edge if you are allowed to look at the other players cards all the time?
This way you have a lot of info about your outs, especially on the river…. I do not believe seeing the other players cards all the time is enough to beat the house. The problem is that you are always wagering more than you win, excluding bonus hands. I believe this game will always be a house-edge game, excluding player comps, unless you can see the dealer cards. Some casinos, like Barona, deal the game with all players cards face up, so it must still be house-edge for them to do that. I have been wondering if team play may add some value to this game though.
I have only done this for 3 sessions there, and so far it seems to work ok, except one time i got quads on my second hand which happened to be my first spot hand , which would have been my bigger bet hand if i did not play two hands. The Spa lets you play the second hand on either side of your actual hand, whereas most other casinos make you play the actual second hand blind.
I have played two hands several times at Barona without having to play either one blind. KNowing other cards is very valuable. It may not always be useful per each hand but at times it will help you save a bet or gain a bet. IF you are playing with 5 other people and nobody has a duece and you have two of them, even though the book says not to bet 4x, you now should since you know 10 cards so the odds of hitting your set are much higher….
Anyone know of website that has a list that has UTH? I am curious if any casinos in WV have it? As far as I know on the east coast…. ANyone know anywhere else that has it? Guys, I think you can benefit from seeing other players cards. Especially on the river. You can count the outs that the dealer has. We just have to make more calculations…. Start with , if you win, then , if you win then Then back to regardless of the result of the hand to protect profits.
I was betting it but seldom because I was trying to save chips and was already dejected by my cash game result. Thank you guys for the discussion. I try to tip at the end of a session. The dealer knows if your ahead or behind.
Percentage is up to you. If you are a regular you will see that a toke when you leave even if your losing reflects in the dealers attitude toward you next visit. I am trying to find out what it takes to get a free room playing UTH. Is anyone getting comped rooms at the Wynn, or Caesars.? Feels like M Life has turned very stingy. I have never played at Venetian. I looked for it last January but could not find it there. Vegas still might be feeling the crunch, so comps may still be relatively easy to come by.
I actually find M-life to be comp friendly. I have been getting offers year round from M-life and have only had time to take advantage of it once this year at the Mirage. I had a comp room booked for Bellagio earlier this month, but had to cancel. Wynn seems to be pretty comp-friendly lately as well. I only played there for maybe an hour tops, while waiting for the Le Reve show, during my last trip. They used to, but too many players are actually playing that bet at a positive EV.
I went next door to the Wynn and got the same story. Having a real bad run of luck. Wife does the same plus slots. Never hear a jackpot on slots announced any more. They have the machines so tight they are embarrassed to announce the few winners. This is the closest casino to me that has my games so I am stuck.
Ceramic chips are not ceramic. They are manufactured in a way to simulate the appearance of ceramic, but if you heat them, they melt as do clay chips - I would conclude from this that they too are made of mostly polymer. On many of these chips, you can see the injection "dimple" where the plastic has entered the mold. These chips are often "slugged" - the plastic was injected around a metal slug to add weight.
Unslugged to slugged, these chips weigh in at grams each actual compressed clay chips weigh about g. When you purchase ceramic style chips, they are often manufactured by the same process and perhaps the same facilities as casino used ceramics. They usually weigh around 10g each, unless they are slugged. AFAIK, no casino uses slugged ceramics. The third chip variant is the vinyl chip. Formerly, the main manufacturer was the Bud Jones company, but I think they were purchased by Matsui.
Matsui is currently the largest manufacturer of these chips, I believe. Vinyls are very durable with a range of colours and customization that cannot be matched by compressed clay.
They too weigh in at around g. Oh, I could go on for days, but perhaps a dedicated series of threads would be more appropriate. July 20th, , 3: Regarding the chip replacements - around 9 years ago while i was at the university we wanted to play poker with my colleagues but did not have money for chips so we started collecting lowest nominal coins of 1, 2 and 5 cents and in no time we had the equivalent of around 2.
It worked quite good in fact till the moment when we were drunk one night and spent them to get 4 beers. July 23rd, , 8: This is a great read. I do know that chips were not always used - that people used actual money, coins , gold nuggets,gold dust etc.
I didn't know about what the materials used were until this article. The security to make them is impressive! Thanks to playing so much online poker - I have learned the rules of the chips for the different games , tourny's having no cash value - wow I wish They have a lot to deal with when casino's start merging and I can understand the need to find out if the chips can be used in multiple places - makes sense. I have even heard of people paying for merchandise in stores not the casinos with chips if they are the ones that have a cash value used in cash games I wish I would of started collecting those!
I will never be one to play with them at the table! Because of the feel of the chips , I can't see poker chips going into electric devices - not as long as you have live games and true poker players! July 23rd, , 9: July 23rd, , Different from other sports, poker doesn't require much equipment to be practiced. I've heard stories of people using beans instead of traditional chips to play a home game on the kitchen table.
If you see, this and one more deck end up being more than enough for a few hours of fun. Everytime I get to hold chips in game a couple of minutes later they are history I do collect one of them as mementos from different holidays I have been on though. The noise they make in a live game is my biggest memory of them everyone messes with them.
Some chips are just nasty, and wet chips disquest me. To play we use instead of Chips, Real money, Dollars, Euros; unless you are playing a Tournament, then we need to use some kind of Chips. We buy the commercial sets of chips with all the denominations that are easy to buy online. July 24th, , 1: Well, another great article about the history of poker, It is nice to read these articles and to know each day a little more about this beautiful discipline, I particularly as I have not yet had the opportunity to attend a casino or a casino ignored all this, but now I have an idea about the poker chips and their value Thank you very much for sharing this article.
July 24th, , 2: Dailon Arroyo Blandon . Very interesting the story of how the chips appeared in the game of poker July 24th, , 3: I remember a few years ago was more difficult to find chips to play poker, it is now easier, I bought some at a supermarket to play with my friends. We used to do a few sheets of cardboard and a marker, writing the value of each tab.
July 24th, , 4: With technology rising ,i am sure they implant mini chips to calculate pot size, who knows they may even show there personnel stats. I have not yet had the opportunity to attend a casino or a casino to play poker yet.. Biggest think is to learn to flip those chips like the pros. July 24th, , 5: Originally Posted by neptun Interesting information about poker chips.
I expected the Las Vegas casinos to have weird and expensive tailor-made chips. The shuffling thing is something I still have to learn I haven't had the opportunity to go to a live poker event to put this thing into practice, but the future is ahead July 24th, , Poker chips like poker cards can be items for collectors.
Poker chips are the poker currency. I remember when playing cards we used legumes like beans for chips! I think that the best material is ceramic because it is baked clay and can last for thousands of years and its designs too. Tracy Gold is back, and comes to you straight from college, still in her uniform. Should she take it off for her strip poker game with you, or keep it on? Viola is so excited about Christmas that she came a week early.
Before your unwrap her gifts, why not play some strip poker? Russian babe, Aurelly Rebel, is almost always horny. This can prove to be a bit of a disadvantage when playing strip poker. At least it would be if you were trying to win. Beata loves the outdoors and camping and having sex under the stars is her favorite pastime.
But after a few days in the wilderness she likes to come home and pamper herself with hot baths and a bit of strip poker. Which is where you come in. Katy, our naughty Romanian girl with the ultra sensitive nipples, is back for some more strip poker frolics.